It pays to keep an open mind, but not so open your brains
fall out. - Carl Sagan
As you'll soon be able to tell, this blog will be an
unapologetic rebuttal to Daniel's blog attacking Christianity. Now Daniel has
asked all of you to keep an open mind. I'd like to ask you to make sure your
brain is still in its place throughout the process.
I also felt it necessary to warn you. Throughout Daniel's
blog, we are going to receive the most fundamentalist and literal
interpretation of the Bible that we've ever encountered. This is not unique to
Daniel, but is really a common trait among atheists. They seem to read
Scripture in such an extreme manner that it makes the Westboro Baptist Church
look like liberal skeptics in comparison. But that's a topic for another blog.
For this one, Daniel has decided to look at a passage from one of the most
powerful sermons ever given by Christ: the Sermon on the Mount. Let's dive into
our analysis and discussion.
Daniel used the NIV version in his blog. I prefer the
Amplified Bible.
17 Do not think that I have come to do away with or undo the
Law or the Prophets; I have come not to do away with or undo but to complete
and fulfill them. 18 For truly I tell you, until the sky and earth pass away
and perish, not one smallest letter nor one little hook [identifying certain
Hebrew letters] will pass from the Law until all things [it foreshadows] are
accomplished. 19 Whoever then breaks or does away with or relaxes one of the
least [important] of these commandments and teaches men so shall be called
least [important] in the kingdom of heaven, but he who practices them and
teaches others to do so shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven. 20 For
I tell you, unless your righteousness (your uprightness and your right standing
with God) is more than that of the scribes and Pharisees, you will never enter
the kingdom of heaven.
Daniel is correct in his assessment of what Jesus is
referring to. He is referring to the Old Testament. And Jesus does say that He
did not come to repeal the Law, but notice that (in spite of Daniel's numerous
attempts to claim otherwise) nowhere does He say that His followers are
obligated to follow the Law as mandated by the Pharisees and the Scribes, but
in fact, His followers need to do something differently than those 2 groups
(their righteousness needs to be above them.) It obviously follows that the
followers of Christ need to depend on something other than the Law for their
righteousness. But what could possibly supercede the Law in this regard?
Apostle Paul elaborates in this regard in Galatians 2:16.
16 Yet we know that a man is justified or reckoned righteous
and in right standing with God not by works of the Law, but [only] through
faith and[absolute] reliance on and adherence to and trust in Jesus Christ (the
Messiah, the Anointed One). [Therefore] even we [ourselves] have believed on
Christ Jesus, in order to be justified by faith in Christ and not by works of
the Law [for we cannot be justified by any observance of the ritual of the Law
given by Moses], because by keeping legal rituals and by works no human being
can ever be justified (declared righteous and put in right standing with God).
Paul goes on to say in Gal. 3:10-13:
10 And all who depend on the Law [who are seeking to be
justified by obedience to the Law of rituals] are under a curse and doomed to
disappointment and destruction, for it is written in the Scriptures, Cursed
(accursed, devoted to destruction, doomed to eternal punishment) be everyone
who does not continue to abide (live and remain) by all the precepts and
commands written in the Book of the Law and to practice them. 11 Now it is
evident that no person is justified (declared righteous and brought into right
standing with God) through the Law, for the Scripture says, The man in right
standing with God [the just, the righteous] shall live by and out of faith and
he who through and by faith is declared righteous and in right standing with
God shall live. 12 But the Law does not rest on faith [does not require faith,
has nothing to do with faith], for it itself says, He who does them [the things
prescribed by the Law] shall live by them [not by faith]. 13 Christ purchased
our freedom [redeeming us] from the curse (doom) of the Law [and its
condemnation] by [Himself] becoming a curse for us, for it is written [in the
Scriptures], Cursed is everyone who hangs on a tree (is crucified);
This is what Jesus means when He says that He fulfilled the
Law. He completed its purpose. He achieved it's goal. It is now no longer
needed. When we complete tests or projects that are assigned to us, it would be
silly to say that we have abolished that particular assignment from the face of
the earth. It would be equally ridiculous to claim that because we haven't
abolished the test, we need to keep retaking it till the end of time (though
maybe some of the more special of us might require such methods in order to
pass high school, and I'm looking at you Daniel). The similar concept
can be applied to the Law. Because it has been fulfilled by Christ, Christians
are no longer obligated to follow it.
Well why have the Law to begin with? Paul discusses this in
Gal. 3:19-21:
19 What then was the purpose of the Law? It was added [later
on, after the promise, to disclose and expose to men their guilt] because of
transgressions and [to make men more conscious of the sinfulness] of sin; and
it was intended to be in effect until the Seed (the Descendant, the Heir)
should come, to and concerning Whom the promise had been made. And it [the Law]
was arranged and ordained and appointed through the instrumentality of angels
[and was given] by the hand (in the person) of a go-between [Moses, an
intermediary person between God and man]. 20 Now a go-between (intermediary)
has to do with and implies more than one party [there can be no mediator with
just one person]. Yet God is [only] one Person [and He was the sole party in
giving that promise to Abraham. But the Law was a contract between two, God and
Israel; its validity was dependent on both]. 21 Is the Law then contrary and
opposed to the promises of God? Of course not! For if a Law had been given
which could confer [spiritual] life, then righteousness and right standing with
God would certainly have come by Law.
He elaborates in Hebrews 10:1-9:
For since the Law has merely a rude outline (foreshadowing)
of the good things to come—instead of fully expressing those things—it can
never by offering the same sacrifices continually year after year make perfect
those who approach [its altars]. 2 For if it were otherwise, would [these
sacrifices] not have stopped being offered? Since the worshipers had once for all
been cleansed, they would no longer have any guilt or consciousness of sin. 3
But [as it is] these sacrifices annually bring a fresh remembrance of sins [to
be atoned for], 4 Because the blood of bulls and goats is powerless to take
sins away. 5 Hence, when He [Christ] entered into the world, He said,
Sacrifices and offerings You have not desired, but instead You have made ready
a body for Me [to offer]; 6 In burnt offerings and sin offerings You have taken
no delight. 7 Then I said, Behold, here I am, coming to do Your will, O God—[to
fulfill] what is written of Me in the volume of the Book. 8 When He said just
before, You have neither desired, nor have You taken delight in sacrifices and
offerings and burnt offerings and sin offerings—all of which are offered
according to the Law— 9 He then went on to say, Behold, [here] I am, coming to
do Your will. Thus He does away with and annuls the first (former) order [as a
means of expiating sin] so that He might inaugurate and establish the second
(latter) order.
Really can't say it any better than the Apostle Paul.
However, what about some of the other claims made by Daniel, especially
regarding the attitude of modern Christians towards ancient Mosaic Law? Well
Daniel strongly implies that believers willfully chose to ignore the words of
Christ concerning the Law because of a desire to attract Gentiles to their
faith by making it "easier." I'd have to inform Daniel, that Judaism
was already easier than the polytheistic paganism of the Gentiles (appeasing
one God vs. appeasing hundreds), that Gentiles had no trouble flocking to
Christianity, and that getting burned alive and eaten in arenas by wild animals
doesn't really make stellar advertising for an "easy" religion. Early
Christians had many concerns. Putting on a good marketing campaign was not one
of them. Daniel second argument is that Christians ignored the words of Christ
because they found Mosaic law incompatible with modern society. What Daniel
doesn't say is when Christians started to do this. He mentions the early
church, but the early church didn't develop in a modern society. And the early
church "changed the rules" to bring in more Gentiles, which means
that the early church was already "changing the rules" before modern
society came along. So which one is it? Either early Christians changed the
rules to be more marketable to Gentiles or contemporary Christians changed the
rules to fit in with modern society. It's either one or the other and Daniel
has already conceded that early Christians were rejecting Mosaic law, which
really begs the question of whether Christianity did have to catch up to
society or was it the other way around? But I have to correct Daniel. The early
church wasn't the first to give up on Mosaic Law. The first person to change
the rules was a lowly carpenter from Nazareth who was brought a woman caught in
adultery. Mosaic law demanded that she be stoned to death. This carpenter
however, demanded that the person without sin cast the first stone at her. Her
accusers ended up leaving until it was just that carpenter and her. He turned
to her and told her that he does not pass judgment on her and then, in direct
violation of the law, he let her go. Daniel might recognize this man. It was
His words that He was quoting at the beginning of His blog. That carpenter's
entire ministry was based on grace, forgiveness, and love to whomever was
willing to accept it and He ended up giving His own life in order to
fundamentally change the rules forever.
Daniel's Rebuttal
Daniel's Rebuttal
I must say that this rebuttal to Daniel's assertion was well done. The points were quite valid and left little room for argument, the grammar was quite good, and the semi-restrained insults toward Daniel were humorous. Perhaps I only say this because I agree with the side of the issue you have taken and therefore I did not need to be persuaded. However, there are a few things I might add to the argument, most of which I have outlined in comments on Daniel's blog posts. First, I would not say that Jesus flat-out changed the Law like you said in the last paragraph. Rather, he re-interpreted it. In one of the gospels Jesus said that the most important laws were to love God and love others. I would say that Jesus was not attempting to change the Law but make it clearer and go to the meaning of the Law. He wanted to encourage people to UNDERSTAND the Law, and not blindly follow it as the Pharisees tried to do when accusing the woman caught in adulterey. He was on a campaign of grace and forgiveness, of loving enemies and turning the other cheek. The Pharisees saw the woman as a sinner, and by attempting to stone her, were trying to follow the Law and prove their righteousness (and entrap Jesus). But in doing so, they forgot the most important commandments: to love God and love others.They were not showing love to the woman by using her mistake as an excuse to accuse Jesus of unlawfulness. Jesus was not changing the Law to serve His purposes, He was clarifying the Law to show that all people had the right to be forgiven, even the adulterous woman, because all have sinned. Anyway, that's my opinion and interpretation of the story, which may be wrong. I believe you have a good blog here, and it has many redeeming features, like humanity does now that Christ has given us eternal life. Godspeed.
ReplyDeleteFirst off let me say that I've read all four parts of your debate and let me say, wow and well done! It was a little humorous to watch you and Daniel have at each other, and also very interesting to hear both of your viewpoints on the subject. Like Kyle said I would have liked if you had added something about Jesus encouraging people to understand the law, and to never forget to love God with all of your heart, mind and soul, and love your neighbor as yourself. I was impressed with the amount of research that you guys developed for this project, and I enjoyed watching you get on your soapbox and defend Christianity, but again I'm going to have to piggyback on Kyle's answer with this one because he said pretty much close to everything I was thinking. I do however have a couple questions: How did you and Daniel agree to do this and make this an online debate? Whose idea was this? Great blog man and an excellent debate overall, can't wait to see more.
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